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Animal Experimentation
The PETA thread got me thinking...
How do you feel about animal experimentation? I'm being broad here - everything from determining the safety of cosmetics to cancer research. If you have issues with one form or another with animal experimentation, where do you draw the line?
And the bigger questions...since humans are animals too...what about experiments on humans? I mean, using experimental drugs (with consent) or participating in other studies. Should there be as strict of rules on this as we have now?
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8/20/2009, 2:02 pm
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Re: Animal Experimentation
With the amount of synthetic products being forced onto the unwary consumers, there is a very imperative need for research that involves real time experimentation. People are too precious to waste as experimental models, so something else with a heartbeat is needed - without that testing, the very greedy commercial concerns would have wiped out the human population already. This is not an exaggeration - thousands of very damaging things have been kept from our homes because of the animal testing that sacrificed rats, monkeys, dogs and pigs. I believe such waste of life is evil, but until humans realize they are not gods, we will have companies trying to make food out of toxic waste.
Unfortunately though, many items of research are ignored, despite the results of experiments proving damage, by commercial interests more concerned with money than life.
Were the rather ignorant activists to succeed in having such experiments banned, we would all suffer for their ideals by becoming the guinea pigs for the moguls of commerce. It is horrifying that such dangerous toxins are regularly produced to mimic foods or medicines but that is life - the greed of mankind fires the production of such junk, and we, in our ignorance, know nothing about the dangers. Without the research scientists using live models to experiment on, we would be alone at the mercy of commerce. That is a very scary prospect.
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Re: Animal Experimentation
Wow, muladzh, you take a stance that I hadn't really considered.
I buy products that haven't been tested on animals. The ingredients in them have been known to be safe for a long time. I always think to myself "why do we need animal testing for cosmetics, etc?" But you bring up a very valid point. I figured that if animal testing (for cosmetics, cleaners, etc) was banned, then companies couldn't/wouldn't use chemicals that were potentially harmful. But in reality, you are probably right, a new chemical would come up for consideration and we would either never witness the benefits of it because it couldn't be proven safe, or WE would be the guinea pigs for it.
I've never strongly advocated a ban on animal testing (for non-medical things) but I've always thought it a bit unnecessary. I'm rethinking that. I believe I will still buy products not tested on animals though as a way to vote with my dollar. I can at least show my appreciation for not doing it.
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8/20/2009, 4:17 pm
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Re: Animal Experimentation
i think animal testing should be reserved for use in situations where there is no other option. also there should be stricter regulations on how the animal testing is done, with respect to the animals well being. i think animal testing could be far more humane than it currently is. i understand some sacrifices must be made for the greater good. also from what i have seen, most current animal testing could be replaced with not harmful alternitives. of course this is much more expensive. but i feel that is the price we should pay.
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8/20/2009, 6:05 pm
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Re: Animal Experimentation
A lot of cosmetics are now being tested on cell cultures, which I think is much better than using living animals. I'm glad that such testing has been banned.
Muladzh has a point, though. It's important we can test for such toxins, as sad as it is.
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Re: Animal Experimentation
Something to consider. How many times, while watching TV, if you have one, have you seen commercials advertising legal counsel for people who have taken certain medications, then it becomes known that the medication causes some other very serious side effects, including death? Or how many recalls have you see of medications for that same reason? Things you THOUGHT were OK to take...that the FDA approved as safe for us to take? I am on a medication right now that could potentially cause me to have involuntary limb movement. If it ever starts, even if I go off the med, I'll have to deal with it the rest of my life. My doctor and I are in the process of getting me OFF this medication.
I've seen where a med used in heart surgery has ended up killing people. The same with many other meds...and all of these were OKed as being safe. How many were tested on animals? I don't know, but this kind of speaks to what muladzh is saying...sometimes it doesn't matter, because we're never made aware, until it's too late and someone sues the company that made it for a wrongful death.
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Re: Animal Experimentation
The way I look at things is that all processed crap is bad for you. Period. If it's not of nature, avoid it. Altho many things of nature will kill you in a heartbeat but most of those have been proven a looong time ago.
Having said that..... I do with very extreme reluctance and great sadness... support animal testing for medical purposes.
So many of our medical advances that have saved lives and made lives easier for millions of people, would not have been possible without animal testing.
But testing on animals for cosmetic crap?? NO!! You are beautiful as you are, quit trying to look like something you're not or take the risk yourself... don't force it on some poor dog/cat/monkey.
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8/25/2009, 6:44 am
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Re: Animal Experimentation
PerpetuallyCurious wrote:
The way I look at things is that all processed crap is bad for you. Period. If it's not of nature, avoid it. Altho many things of nature will kill you in a heartbeat but most of those have been proven a looong time ago.
Having said that..... I do with very extreme reluctance and great sadness... support animal testing for medical purposes.
So many of our medical advances that have saved lives and made lives easier for millions of people, would not have been possible without animal testing.
But testing on animals for cosmetic crap?? NO!! You are beautiful as you are, quit trying to look like something you're not or take the risk yourself... don't force it on some poor dog/cat/monkey.
perhaps if more (all) folks followed this wisdom. we would not need so many medical advances. then we would not "need" the animal testing.
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8/25/2009, 8:30 pm
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Re: Animal Experimentation
PerpetuallyCurious wrote:
The way I look at things is that all processed crap is bad for you. Period. If it's not of nature, avoid it. Altho many things of nature will kill you in a heartbeat but most of those have been proven a looong time ago.
Having said that..... I do with very extreme reluctance and great sadness... support animal testing for medical purposes.
So many of our medical advances that have saved lives and made lives easier for millions of people, would not have been possible without animal testing.
But testing on animals for cosmetic crap?? NO!! You are beautiful as you are, quit trying to look like something you're not or take the risk yourself... don't force it on some poor dog/cat/monkey.
I will have to agree whole heartly on your statement. I would only add I wish the animals being used would get a little more love and a better enviroment.
As for testing on people that is an individual choice. If I were terminal, I would try an experimental cure figure I have nothing to lose.
In a way my family has done this twice my daughter had surgery at age one never tried before without she would have died. But because I chanced the unknown not only is she healthy and fine. Many other childern that would have gone thru 12 years of hell then die now live happy normal lives.
My father however tried an experimental treatment when he had a non-operatible tumor. Although the proceedure has given him 6 years so far his health is horrible 3 strokes, unable to walk, slowly or not so slowly losing his mind. In his case it worked but failed. Death would have been better.
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Re: Animal Experimentation
PC describes well how I feel about this. It does make me sad. And Playful I agree, they should at least be treated humanely and lovingly.
And for sure I do not support testing for frivilous things like cosmetics -- people can always buy cruelty-free products.
I read a fiction book once -- I think it was either THE WILD ROAD or THE GOLDEN CAT -- both by the same author (a British duo that writes under one name, Gabriel King, I think). There's an absolutely heartbreaking subplot of the story that takes place in an animal experimentation lab, from the point of view of several cats -- I've never been able to get it out of my mind. I guess this is the power of fiction writing, for me!
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