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we should absolutely not be testing on animals, for anything! they are being held against their will and being put through such traumatic experiances that they mentally breakdown. animals that are continually tested on begin to gnaw at their limbs. there has been reports on animals chewing straight though legs and damn near gutting themselves. any experiments should be tested on people and only the people that agree.
did you know that companies are bribing doctors to push their pills? most of the time, and im not even kidding-my cousin is a doctor-, the doctors know that the medicine they give you wont help, or they are unsure of what will [sign in to see URL] are so money-hungry nowadays, that they dont care if they kill some animals or even people in the process.
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Hello michewoof, welcome on board.

Would you mind saying hello and telling the other members a bit more about yourself in the Introductions?

I'm very much in favor of doing all necessary tests on cell cultures. Sometimes, I fear, it's just not possible.

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herbs work just as well as medicine, synthetic drugs should noe be used in my opinion unless herbs are not doing the job.
animals should not be used for testing our drugs or cosmetics, i am wiccan and i live by the rule "if it harm none, do what ye will"
i also live by and believe that the free will of a living being should never be taken, unless under some circumstances it is for their own protection and saftey.
animal testing is taking away animal free will, they dont get a choice and if they did im sure they would say "hell no"
humans have a resposiblity to protect animals and fight for their rights which should be no less than the rights we are given as humans.
other than appearance animals are no different to us, they feel pain, sadness, they need the same things to stay alive. only other difference is because most people cant or wont take the time to communicate effectively with them, they can speak up for themselves or defend themselves.

we make the [sign in to see URL] should test them on ourselves. i would gladly voulunteer if i thought i may save even just one innocent little bunny that just wants to live its life happily with mother nature.

human beings as a species are savages, all we do is kill, but i dont think we have the right to to that, the taking of a life is not a decision we have the right to make, what ever gave us that idea?
we are destroying this world and all life in it, including ourselves, with our greed and disreguard for other [sign in to see URL] serious needs to change...

thats my view on the [sign in to see URL] a strong one too haha

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Animal testing is one of the crazy things 'they' do, to justify their ignorance. To research the medical opinions of 'them' is something most should try to do - 'they' don't know very much, usually never admitting that, and killing patients often. 'they' excuse animal testing as a way to protect people, particularly rats and pigs. Cosmetics use rabbits more than others. They all claim it helps, but the truth is, we don't need cosmetics - my wife uses none, and everyone reckons she is beautiful. We don't need any of the 'cures' for bad diet choices - we need to make the correct choices to start with. They claim that without their poisons to cure our ills, we would not live past sixty. I look way better than any of the 50 year old people on this RV park - about 100 of them, and we use nothing 'they' suggest - I have not been any where near a 'doctor' for many years, except the few who have tried to get my herbal practices banned. ( Even saving one of their mistakes, so the patient lives, is annoying to them. )

Because nobody has tested herbs on animals, and spent thousands of dollars doing research, the fact that herbs can, and do, cure every miserable ailment common today is regarded as criminal claims, and punished by the law.

I suppose I should shut up now, before I say anything others would regret.

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Just to add to what Muladzh said, beyond his own [sign in to see URL] 100's of years other cultures have used Acupuncture, Oriental medicine, qigong, EFT and many other techniques, as a way of Naturally teaching the body to heal [sign in to see URL] need what-so-ever to test on another Creature...

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I very much like your views Muladzh!!

I do have a question though, one that i have been struggling with, i am big on my herbs and pretty wise when it comes to them, however i have yet to find a herbal/holistic treatment to keep Epilepsy in [sign in to see URL] i only have it mild, i still could no longer drive without being medicated, and i would much rather kick the pills im on and switch to something natrual because, appart from them i refuse to put anything in my body if it is not [sign in to see URL] ideas?

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The nice law makers in the US don't like me to say anything helpful.... But......

There are a few treatments for epilepsy that do not involve chemicals, though without knowing all of the data available from thousands of tests needed to assess the type and level of disturbance, I can't even start to determine what is needed to correct it.

The laws in England are friendlier, so maybe you can find a healer locally that is not hog-tied and threatened with incarceration for caring enough to help.

My reason for hesitancy is that there are four or five different conditions within epilepsy that make all the difference in determining which natural cure would work best. (also there is research that suggests that something can stimulate such brain activity, so could be removed from a diet, to remove the problem.. Haven't got much detail of that though. The research was done in Sweden, I believe.

I have done very little research into epilepsy, because I have never been asked about it, until now.

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well it nice to know that there are herbal alternatives out there, i have heard of the ketogenic diet, which i am going to speak with my neurologist about i think...

Thanks muchly emoticon

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For a period of time, I stopped ALL [sign in to see URL] made and natural. I started to feel much better, BUT, my blood pressure and the spinal fluid pressure got exceptionally worse. I just recently restarted [sign in to see URL] [sign in to see URL] the meds I was on. I refuse to take the ones for my bi-polar. I have done wonderfully through all the stress of my father's death and dealing with his estate and all, so I see no need to take something if I'm already doing alright. I did restart the blood pressure medication, because I was begining to feel really crappy due to the fact that my BP was horrible. I also restarted the diuretic I was taking for the extra spinal fluid issue. I can't take just any diuretic. One of the side effects of the one I take is that it slows down the production of spinal fluid, which is what I need. My body makes way too much, which causes extreme pressure on my brain, resulting in some really nasty migraines, and could potentially cause other more serious problems. I am taking a natural hormone replacement therapy that is compounded by a specialty pharmacy. They deal a great deal in natural homeopathic remedies. This particular capsule is compounded specifically for me, using data that I provided.
I would LOVE to find natural things for all the issues I have to deal with, but some of them are very costly. This is one reason many people use man-made medications. If you have RX insurance, you can get meds much cheaper than you can some natural things. [sign in to see URL], I know that the end result could be more costly (death or lengthy hospital stays), but you're not having to pay it all at one whack. I know some of the meds I take, if I had no insurance, would cost me upwards of several hundred dollars each. Some, not as much, but if I had to pay full price for those meds, I'd be more willing to go with natural remedies. I have got to go get some more of the Omega3 that I had started taking (it has actually helped my cholesterol greatly)..when I got that, I also got 2 other natural things to help my cholesterol and such, and I paid almost $90 for just 3 bottles of stuff, and there was only a month supply in each bottle. I can't afford to keep doing that. I can get ALL of my prescription meds (a month's supply) (2 BP pills, acid reflux pills, diuretic, hormone, potassium, pain patch, lortab) that's 8 pills, for less than $70. And we wonder why more people don't go for the natural remedies!! People can't afford them!!! Make them more affordable, and you may see more people going in that direction. I know I would be.
While I was in Alabama this past month, I went into an organic grocery store. I was appalled at the prices. If I had had false teeth, they would have been on the floor!!! How on earth to people afford this stuff? I was looking for a sage smudge [sign in to see URL] didn't have any, so I bought some fresh sage, and paid out the nose for it. Had I been at home, I could have used some of mine that I had [sign in to see URL] I was 300 miles from home. I paid almost $3 for a small plastic container of fresh sage.

As for the [sign in to see URL] of us are a bit more vain than others. I'm one who is. BUT, the make-up I purchase, I check to see if it was animal tested. If there is nothing stating one way or the other, I don't buy it because I don't know. It's a rare thing for me to leave my house without at least some eye shadow and mascara on, but usually it's the full [sign in to see URL], eyeliner, eyeshadow, mascara, blush. I use mineral based make-up and love it. So, the biggest question there for me is if it's animal tested or [sign in to see URL] do I look okay without it. For those who don't use [sign in to see URL] [sign in to see URL] IT [sign in to see URL] what you feel is right for you, but [sign in to see URL]'t knock those of us who do use make-up.

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Oh, I'm not knocking you.. emoticon I still use a bit, mineral [sign in to see URL] special occasions. Mostly I think since I'm in the full swing of menopause, it's more of a useless attempt for me. I barely have any eyelashes left, and with the hot flashes and living in the desert, the foundations melts off anyways! So I cut my hair short, rarely wear makeup and I swear, I'm going to go back to baggy moo-moo dresses an tie-dyed tee's and [sign in to see URL] toss the bra! emoticon

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