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Sheesh. We had plans that this year was going to be issue free. So [sign in to see URL] so good.

We sold Dahlia about a month ago. She was due to kid about a week ago but showed no signs of labor. Goats can go about 5 days overdue before trouble starts brewing. And apparently there is some time between breeding and "settling" so it's all give or take 2 or 3 days. But by 6 days overdue, her new owner had the vet induce her. It's not as intense as human induced labors but still not to be used unless you need it. We had been following the situation closely but it sounded like everything was going smoothly. We didn't hear back for almost 24 hours after the induction shot but sometimes it can take that long. Unfortunately, we got a sorrowful call that night. Both of Dahlia's kids didn't make it. They were actually at the vet and he couldn't even save them. emoticon It's tragic, but part of farm life. However, neither the new owner or our farm has ever lost an adult doe due to labor complications. By the time they got Dahlia home, it was clear she was in severe distress. The last I had was yesterday evening and things didn't sound good. No update yet, which I'm taking to mean things are still touch and go, but that Dahlia is hanging on. She was probably our healthiest, beefiest, bossiest goat. I just can't imagine anything happening to her.

So while all of this is going on, we are also dealing with our own little tragedy on the farm. Shelli had an easy unassisted birth to one HUGE buckling (10 lbs) yesterday. One of the workers called from the barn that she was having contractions. By the time he turned around, there was a kid on the ground! But he was weak and cold. It took some serious care (heating him, giving him selenium shots, Vit-E supplements and bottle feeding) but he is up on his feet nursing on his own. Phew. However, this morning while checking on her, they noticed she was contracting [sign in to see URL] our came a dead fetus, somewhat decomposed. That's NOT a good thing. Last I spoke to the farm, the vet was on his way out to do a saline uterine flush and give her massive antibiotics. Typically, that's all they need and there won't be any complications. But [sign in to see URL] on! Just one easy kidding season?

Three more to go...

I promise to get pictures of the new big boy. Willa got to meet him before I did! Apparently he "latched" on to her stomach and she's a bit afraid of him because he's so hungry and aggressive. But I'm sure she'll warm up to him - she LOVED chasing them last year when she finally learned to walk!
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My goodness, Texas! I sure hope Dahlia recovers and is [sign in to see URL] poor Shelli. First one HUGE baby, then a still-born. Any idea why the other baby died, and how long it had been dead before she birthed it? If it had been somewhat decomposed, it sounds like it had been 'gone' for a while.

Much luck on the rest of the kidding seasons being easy, with no problems at all!!!!!

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Well, I just got word that Dahlia appears to be making a full recovery! Her new owner had honestly given up hope - she and the vet thought she had a tear and was bleeding internally. With her already weakened condition, surgery would almost certainly kill her. The other possibility was a decomposing matter in her uterus. A uterine flush would either save her from that or kill her for sure if it was a tear. So it was either do nothing and let her die or do something that might kill her but also might save her. So they did the flush and she perked up within hours! She is doing better but will have quite a recovery. The vet doesn't think anything we or the new owner did was 'wrong' - it's just one of those things that happens.

Shelli is doing just fine too. Her big buck is not as perky as he should be at a few days old, but he doesn't appear to be suffering from anything that will prevent him from getting stronger.

Saijen, once a fetus dies in a goat, it starts to decompose very quickly. I don't really get it honestly. I had always heard stories of a baby dying during birthing and by 12 hours later when the people can get a vet out to pull the dead kid, it's already stinky. Seemed like everyone was exaggerating until we had it happen. So likely he died during the birth process (he was perfectly formed - not premature looking). Not sure why Shelli's body didn't work on birthing him right after the first. Usually multiples come within minutes of each other. I've seen them come so fast that the doe doesn't even have time to get the amniotic sac off the first before the second comes.

We have a bit of a break before another doe kids. Though one who is due next month is showing all the early signs of labor! She had to be taken to the buck twice (she came back in heat) so we are starting to think she may have actually been bred the first time. Weird!
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Texas, I am so pleased to hear that both does are doing better and looks like Dahlia will make a full recovery. I don't even have anything to do with them, and I was really concerned. Guess that's the animal lover in me! emoticon I just hate to see any animal [sign in to see URL] about kills me.

That's odd how an unbirthed goat fetus that has died will begin to decompose so quickly. Having that fast of a decomposition would surely cause immense problems for the doe? I can imagine infections and stuff setting up rather [sign in to see URL] do they fight that off fairly well? I've only had 2 goats in my life, a buck who died before it was a year and a half old, and a doe who was never bred, so I know absolutely nothing about goat birthing.

Hopefully the one doe that's next to kid won't throw everyone off too badly. Maybe she's just one of those horny old goats??? Worked the first time, but liked it so much she wanted more, maybe. ([sign in to see URL] [sign in to see URL]'m being crass... emoticon )
Just reminds me of a joke about a farmer who took his sows to another farm to be bred. It didn't take the first time, so he took them again, and it didn't take [sign in to see URL] he ended up taking them, routinely, to the point the pigs would load themselves up, and honk the horn to get the farmer to get a move [sign in to see URL] wanted to go "Play" with the boars! LOL....

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No Saijen, they don't recover well from infections. When there is an dead matter in the uterus, they NEED vet intervention or they will likely die. It usually consists of the flush and then massive antibiotics followed by a week or so of regular antibiotics. I'm not sure if this is because of domestication of the goat or if their wild cousins are the same. Usually, kidding is rather easy so it just might be that when it goes awry, it goes REALLY awry. We just have had the worst luck the past 2 years and it's looking like it again this year. Our new vet is actually very intrigued since otherwise our goats appear to be healthy and well cared for. He's going to do a "case study" on our herd for the nearby vet university to look at. Maybe they will figure something out!

I might believe that some does would like to go and play with some bucks again and again. But all of our girls HATED the buck this year! We actually had to hold the girls for him to mate them. It was sad really. He would chase and chase and chase them until they were totally exhausted and we could manage to hold them still while he did the deed. All other bucks have had no problems. It was weird that ALL our girls acted the same way. Must not have liked his "cologne"! emoticon
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Sounds like one nasty old goat if you ask me... emoticon
But I'm so happy to hear that Dahlia will make a full recovery. Seems this season not only is our weather screwed up, but so are our animals. emoticon

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I hope the vet school can figure out something to maybe explain what is/was going on! It's neat that your vet is related to that, and can use the experiences at your farm to not only find answers, but to help the students learn!

And, how odd that ALL of your girls disliked this buck. I wonder if the owner has had other problems with other does? Maybe he was more a dirty ole goat, instead of the sexy, ripped one???? emoticon emoticon

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Wow, haven't updated this in awhile!

We have new babies!!!

First was Shelli, which I already reported. One live buckling (now named Chris) and one dead one. Chris is our usual coloring for the herd - black and white. He is solely being bottle fed and his mom milked.

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Then Maxi gave birth to two more bucklings! Both healthy, and an easy birth, despite them being positioned funny (one leg back). One boy is black and white and the other is 'deer' colored. They are separated at night and Maxie is milked in the morning before her babies rejoin her.

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And then Rabbit also had two [sign in to see URL] we thought were both boys at first! Six for [sign in to see URL]. But then, a WEEK later, my mom saw that one of them was a girl! The farm manager had birthed these two and no one thought to double check! One is also black-and-white and the other 'deer' colored. It's a matching set to Maxie's! They are still nursing full time.

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One more to go - due on May 13th. Hopefully we will get some more girls!

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YAY for babies!!!!! emoticon How cute they are! Every time you post on these, it makes me wish more for at least one pet goat! I really do miss my [sign in to see URL] Nubian I used to have!

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Fingers crossed and thumbs squeezed for more girls! I know they are worth more for a herd. Most boys get eaten ...

Best of luck! emoticon

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