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Many groups feel that any magic performed on/for another person, without that person's knowledge or permission, is [sign in to see URL] if it's to benefit that person.
Others feel that, as long as it's to benefit the person, it's OK.

What are your feelings?

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Hmm... this is a good question.

Some people would be horrified to discover that someone did a spell for their benefit without their permission. Others might feel that it's akin to saying a prayer for someone. Lots of people say prayers for others without the knowledge of person they're praying for. I guess that brings up another question. Is praying for someone okay if you don't have their permission?

I don't actually know a lot of people who are Pagan or Wiccan. Most people I know go to a Christian church and would view magic done on their behalf as something dirty or bad. I wouldn't bother, since it would only offend them. If I had a Pagan friend, I assume that I would feel comfortable discussing it with them beforehand.

Personally, I don't think I would do a spell for someone without their knowledge. (I almost never do spells anyway, the comfort level is just not there yet.) I might ask the Spirits to give a person strength, or something along those lines. But I wouldn't perform a ritual or spell.

I know that some people pray for me. My father, maybe random other people, I'm not sure. It doesn't bother me that my Dad prays for me, because I know he loves me as I am, and it's his way of sending me positive energy. As far as random Christians who might want to pray for me to 'see the light'... I view that as harmless, though maybe a little annoying. Nothing I can do about it, but I do not believe it will hurt me.
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I don't do [sign in to see URL] never. I do ask my Spirit guide and her kind for aid at [sign in to see URL] others who surround me.
Like sending "healing energy" to friends here who may need [sign in to see URL] don't do any magic to get it [sign in to see URL] ask my Guide to bring it to them...
but that is not any different than asking for help in saving a stray animal or help protect our Earth Mother... emoticon
The politics of what is right or wrong or moral or not does not come into my thought process. I learned a long time ago, that something done with a loving heart, can only help, never hurt. The guides won't allow it to. emoticon

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Interesting views... not going to post mine just yet... emoticon see if there are any others who want to post on this before I do.

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Saijen SilverWolf1 wrote:

Many groups feel that any magic performed on/for another person, without that person's knowledge or permission, is [sign in to see URL] if it's to benefit that person.
Others feel that, as long as it's to benefit the person, it's OK.

What are your feelings?



For me it depends on the kind of spell I am doing.

Protection or safety, sure why not? It doesnt cause harm to anyone and in fact promotes safety and peace, I would never do a spell though that could change someone's Path or take away their free will.

I pray for people in my life on a regular basis and I dont tell them that I prayed for them.

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Sorry Ive been inactive, I went to a client's house for a cleansing/crossing over last week and Had a psychic experience called Claircognizance. Ive never felt that I was a real psychic, Just a job ya know? but i told the people there so much information and it was all completely accurate and so Ive been looking back on Past readings and experiences to see what happened in them and Im starting to see that maybe I really am tapped into something that most people are not.

Anyways, Ive had to change my Psychic website to be more accurate to my current beliefs and Practices and I changed my Prices and came clean with my clients who actually applauded me for being open and honest.

Ive been drawn recently back to how I was raised and I am starting to explore what that would mean for my life now, what is that Path? Dianic Wicca even though I am a male? Goddess spirituality even though The Goddess is actually just The Universe/Nature? I dont know. OT I know, lol, well I started and couldnt finish!
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Terry, the one thing I want to make sure to mention is that is does not matter if you're male or female when it comes to the paths of [sign in to see URL] Wicca, or any [sign in to see URL] are all equal and accepted, regardless. Too many people don't realize that men can be Witches, too emoticon



I think, on the thread issue, as long as what you're doing is to help, and not remove a person's free will (healing energies, good vibes for things like a job interview, etc) then I can't see where the harm is. When it comes to healing, sometimes the person is not capable of asking for help, and most people aren't going to be opposed to someone asking 'the powers that be' to help them in a job interview or with that first date, or first day of college, etc.

Now, when it comes to things like [sign in to see URL] someone were to come to me and ask me to perform a spell to make a specific person fall for them, I'd flat out tell them I was sorry, but I don't do that. What I WILL do, is a spell to bring them true love, but will not attach any specific person's name to [sign in to see URL] the person they THINK they want, may not be the best match for them. I will not do money spells for [sign in to see URL] if they are in dire straights, I will ask that their burden be [sign in to see URL] only if they ask for my help.

I think, when we do things for others, especially, whether we've been asked, or not, we need to be extremely specific, and careful of what we do and how we ask for what we're wanting done. Our thoughts carry a lot of weight, so you have to be careful when doing anything, to not allow your thoughts to wander to all the 'what ifs'....it's too easy to manifest things if you're not [sign in to see URL] once done, it's not so easy to undo! So, if you are one who does spells, watch how and what you do, what and how you say things.
I am forever telling my husband, it's not WHAT you said, but HOW you said it. However, when you do spells, it's both! And more WHAT you [sign in to see URL] intent is the basis for any spell.

I'll probably write more on this later on, as we get other opinions......

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Terry, the one thing I want to make sure to mention is that is does not matter if you're male or female when it comes to the paths of [sign in to see URL] Wicca, or any [sign in to see URL] are all equal and accepted, regardless. Too many people don't realize that men can be Witches, too emoticon



I think, on the thread issue, as long as what you're doing is to help, and not remove a person's free will (healing energies, good vibes for things like a job interview, etc) then I can't see where the harm is. When it comes to healing, sometimes the person is not capable of asking for help, and most people aren't going to be opposed to someone asking 'the powers that be' to help them in a job interview or with that first date, or first day of college, etc.

Now, when it comes to things like [sign in to see URL] someone were to come to me and ask me to perform a spell to make a specific person fall for them, I'd flat out tell them I was sorry, but I don't do that. What I WILL do, is a spell to bring them true love, but will not attach any specific person's name to [sign in to see URL] the person they THINK they want, may not be the best match for them. I will not do money spells for [sign in to see URL] if they are in dire straights, I will ask that their burden be [sign in to see URL] only if they ask for my help.

I think, when we do things for others, especially, whether we've been asked, or not, we need to be extremely specific, and careful of what we do and how we ask for what we're wanting done. Our thoughts carry a lot of weight, so you have to be careful when doing anything, to not allow your thoughts to wander to all the 'what ifs'....it's too easy to manifest things if you're not [sign in to see URL] once done, it's not so easy to undo! So, if you are one who does spells, watch how and what you do, what and how you say things.
I am forever telling my husband, it's not WHAT you said, but HOW you said it. However, when you do spells, it's both! And more WHAT you [sign in to see URL] intent is the basis for any spell.

I'll probably write more on this later on, as we get other opinions......



Well

For a client, there is no type of spell that is off limits, I want them to know that no matter what their needs are, I can do it for them.

Whatever is sent out comes back on them anyways so if they hire me to do a curse and it works, whatever energy was sent out does seem to come back but never on me, but on the person who wanted the curse done and thats always been my experiences so I dont worry about such things to be honest, love spells, well, most people who want love spells done do want a specific person and I see nothing wrong with that approach to the spell, if the person isnt meant to be draw away or to the person who wants them, the spell simply wont work or would take more energy or cash and the client wouldnt want to continue with it.

What I am trying to figure out for my own spiritual path is very strange I suppose, I am a deep thinker, nothing is on a surface level for me and I suppose I should post a new thread and try to make sense of it there, I know I can be a Witch and am one as thats how I was raised but I only believe in The Goddess and yet to me The Goddess is Nature/The Universe so technically I am a Pantheist (ish) Witch? But thats where the problems for me begin, hehe but I will do that, I will post and ask later when I get back from Easter with Don and his family tomorrow.

I am soooo excited, I found some books on Amazon that I want to order (when money comes in) that sound very interesting and are more my speed as a Witch and less Wiccan or New Agey which so many books seem to be focused on these days, I will share the Titles if anyone has interest!
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I would be interested in the titles! Thank you!
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[sign in to see URL] books you'd like to share, or titles, feel free to post them in the [sign in to see URL]'s what it's there for, so we can share books we think others may find interesting, or fun.

As for the spells, and doing them, I personally (it's wrong for ME) don't want to do anything that would go against a person's free will. I'd not want someone putting a love spell on me, to try to push me toward someone [sign in to see URL] would seriously piss me off. I try to live in a way that I treat everyone how I prefer to be treated. That includes spell work. If it's not something I would want done to/for me, then I won't do it to/for someone else. That's just [sign in to see URL] each have to choose what is ethical to us.
On the issue of cash, I never charge for anything I do, simply because I enjoy doing what I'm able, and since it comes to me freely, I prefer to give it freely. Again, an issue each of us must decide on for ourselves.

That's not to say that, if I had to pay an exhorbitant amount for a stone/gem that I may not pass on that much of the expense to the person I'm doing it for. Or, if I were creating artistic pieces for the general public, you better believe I'd charge. LOL

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[sign in to see URL] books you'd like to share, or titles, feel free to post them in the [sign in to see URL]'s what it's there for, so we can share books we think others may find interesting, or fun.

As for the spells, and doing them, I personally (it's wrong for ME) don't want to do anything that would go against a person's free will. I'd not want someone putting a love spell on me, to try to push me toward someone [sign in to see URL] would seriously piss me off. I try to live in a way that I treat everyone how I prefer to be treated. That includes spell work. If it's not something I would want done to/for me, then I won't do it to/for someone else. That's just [sign in to see URL] each have to choose what is ethical to us.
On the issue of cash, I never charge for anything I do, simply because I enjoy doing what I'm able, and since it comes to me freely, I prefer to give it freely. Again, an issue each of us must decide on for ourselves.

That's not to say that, if I had to pay an exhorbitant amount for a stone/gem that I may not pass on that much of the expense to the person I'm doing it for. Or, if I were creating artistic pieces for the general public, you better believe I'd charge. LOL



I am protected against such spells so Im again not worried about it. If a Witch were to cast say a love spell for my ex to Get me away from Don, It wouldnt work. So...

The reason that I charge is because Im on a very limited income with my disability checks, A House cleansing requires 2 candles for each room, sage, incense, oils, salt and Holy Water and stones and Gems generally, thats money that I cant afford at all, I barely survive with my bills, rent and Grocery needs and then I have 2 cats that need constant food, litter and medical care, I dont slack on animals, they are dependent on us so if they need something, thats just the way I am.

Spells require candles and various herbs as well and then not to mention 1-6 hours of my time where I spend dancing to raise energy, I just feel that I dont have the time, energy and money to do it for free and you know that if I was a freebie, Id be getting constant calls from my current and new clients and Id never have any spare time for me or Don.

So when asked I tell clients that I have bills to pay just like them, however, unlike most Psychics/Spellcasters, I do take Trade! Music cds, Dvds, Candles, Oils, etc, if a Person really cannot afford my services, I ask for something I know that I can use or if nothing else, something I can sell very easily to get the money that I need for whatever I am doing for them. emoticon

Shadakism doesnt have a rede or any such rule on such things, It simply says in the Core 8 that we should live the best lives that we can while doing as little harm as we can. For a client who really is being harmed by someone and needs a Hex or a curse, If I said no, that to me would cause them harm and the person doing the harm would just get away with it. The Law of Return does come back on people but often not in the way we think it does. I guess I have my answer in a sense from the struggle I was going through, I probably am now and will always be a Traditional Witch because that is how I was raised but we'll see

Oh and I will post the books in the Library, I found at least 8 so far that I am looking forward to getting! :devilfire:
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